[jacques1171]

My display resolution on my Mini 10v is 1024x600 I know Dell say the display is edge to edge but there is a small line on the sides and top and bottom of the screen if you use a white background. it is possible that the black side lines are bigger but it would be so small you cant measure it (how do you measure 24000 plus pixels on point something of a cm.) I don't have any thing that small to measure with.

[dch]

I'll have to check the "previously ordered new" outlet 10v that's enroute to me later this week. It's listed as having a 1024x600 lcd. If it's actually 1024x576, I'm gonna be pissed. That was the main reason I ordered that vs. the refurbished ones with 576.

Frank, are you saying that your 10V is suppose to have a 1024x600 lcd but is infact a 1024x576? If that's the case, then your 576 lcd is compressing the 600 resolution, meaning it doesn't truly display 600 dots. What OS are yourunning?

I was under the impression that the early 10Vs came with 1024x576 panels and later came with 1024x600 panels.

[frank]

Originally Posted by dch

I'll have to check the "previously ordered new" outlet 10v that's enroute to me later this week. It's listed as having a 1024x600 lcd. If it's actually 1024x576, I'm gonna be pissed. That was the main reason I ordered that vs. the refurbished ones with 576.

Frank, are you saying that your 10V is suppose to have a 1024x600 lcd but is infact a 1024x576?

No. What part of what I wrote suggested that? Please specify, I would like to clarify if someone becomes confused.

The way I understand it, if you ordered a 1024x600 unit, that is what you'll get. If someone orders a 1024x576 unit, they could receive either a 1024x576 or 1024x600 unit. Either way, you get at least the number of pixels you ordered.

Originally Posted by dch

If that's the case, then your 576 lcd is compressing the 600 resolution, meaning it doesn't truly display 600 dots.

What?

Originally Posted by dch

What OS are yourunning?

That is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by dch

I was under the impression that the early 10Vs came with 1024x576 panels and later came with 1024x600 panels.

Yes, that's correct.

What bugs me is that the Dell Mini 10 & 10v with a 1024x600 display is, to my knowledge, the only general purpose computer in over 20 years to have non-square pixels. I'm not sure why Dell decided to do this, it just creates confustion. If you're reading this and confused and don't want to be, please take some time and read this thread again and Google non-square pixels.

Think of early plasma panels with non-square pixels. There were many different resolutions and pixel shapes.

People don't understand that non-square pixels were the norm before the VGA 640x480 standard in 1987. EGA and CGA were the previous standards, with resolutions ranging from 320x200 to 640x350. If one wrote graphic routines back then, these odd resolutions with non-square pixels had to be taken into account.

I just don't understand why Dell produced a modern computer that is 4% squished vertically.

[Max_Carnage]

Originally Posted by frank

Okay, I don't think you're getting it.

The rotation of the screen would compress the horizontal size of the pixels for the observer... of course, then you'd have to deal with perspective!

I suspect that 4% is much larger than the accepted margin-of-error for CAD projects, however.

Sure, but then, you'd be using rulers/snapping/predefined geometry...

I work with GIS daily, so I'm perfectly comfortable with circles that aren't perfectly circular. They can never be both perfect circles and perfectly accurate on a map... due to the curvature of the earth's surface.

[/nerd]

That said, I think you're very observant. I doubt anybody else would ever have noticed this!

[gspears]

My brain must be warped. The circle looked like a circle to me.

Whatever I love my 10v 280 even though Dell still hasn't fixed the 1510 running at N speeds when you have a 280 processor.

[frank]

Okay, let's try this.

1. Get a ruler.
2. Download the image in this post to your 10 or 10v.
3. Open it in an image viewer at 100%.

On either a 1024x576 display or a 1024x600 display, from left-to-right should be about 98mm across, or just shy of 3 7/8in. We'll use this measurement as a baseline.

On my Mini 10v 1024x576 display, from top-to-bottom, the cross measures the same, just shy of 3 7/8in. Therefore, this display has square pixels, as the measurements are equal.

On a Mini 10 or 10v 1024x600 display, from top-to-bottom, the measurement should be about 94mm, or just shy of 3 3/4in. This demonstrates non-square pixels, about 4% shorter than wide.

If you try this, please post your left-to-right and top-to-bottom measurements of the cross and note your model and display resolution (confirm resolution in Display control panel).

[dch]

My bad, I reread the op and get what you're saying now. Strange that they would supply an atypical panel (1024x576) to begin with, then replace it with another nonstandard panel with rectangular pixels.

Someone in another thread posted this desktop background that's 1024x600. I don't have my 10v yet but when I do, this will be the first thing I'll check.

ADD: Found some discussion that the Samsung N120 also utilizes a "non-square" pixel lcd.

[DMBryant]

1024x576 gives a PERFECT 16:9 aspect ratio which is why they probably went with this resolution in the first place. People probably complained about it not being the standard so they replaced them with 1024x600 panels but couldn't alter the aperture in the case to allow for a slightly larger physical display.

So they just made a display that was the same physical size as the 1024x576 but would display at 1024x600. Hence the squished pixels. My 10v has the 1024x576 display and to be honest, I dont think I would want the 600 version

[fdalbor]

Originally Posted by frank

Okay, let's try this.

1. Get a ruler.
2. Download the image in this post to your 10 or 10v.
3. Open it in an image viewer at 100%.

On either a 1024x576 display or a 1024x600 display, from left-to-right should be about 98mm across, or just shy of 3 7/8in. We'll use this measurement as a baseline.

On my Mini 10v 1024x576 display, from top-to-bottom, the cross measures the same, just shy of 3 7/8in. Therefore, this display has square pixels, as the measurements are equal.

On a Mini 10 or 10v 1024x600 display, from top-to-bottom, the measurement should be about 94mm, or just shy of 3 3/4in. This demonstrates non-square pixels, about 4% shorter than wide.

If you try this, please post your left-to-right and top-to-bottom measurements of the cross and note your model and display resolution (confirm resolution in Display control panel).

Don't get me wrong by this post? But Dell Mini owners must be the most detail specific people in the world. I am not saying that in a negative manner. Just a statement of fact.
Personally I enjoy the different posts and enjoy reading how other people have different views of what the Mini's are, and are thought to be, or should be. It is very entertaining and informative.
Keep the thoughts flowing; I watch a lot less Television than I used to because of this forum. Take care people and be carefull on the road. fdalbor

[Montala]

Just to confuse things even more, the new Mini 10v I received from Dell today has a small piece of paper in the box advising me that the default resolution for my computer is 1024 x 576, and then goes on to tell me how to change it!

Mind you I think they are assuming I am using Windows, rather than Ubuntu.

I can't believe that they have gone 'back' to the original size panel again, and assume that the slip of paper was included in error.

Has anyone else had this as well?