[marvin02]

I am not a Dell employee, but if they have openings I could use a job.

BTW- personal attacks and disinformation is what a person with a poor argument resorts to when their argument will not hold up under scrutiny. So your tidbit about "they must be Dell employees" demonstrates that you are running out of logic.

[AntnyMD]

Originally Posted by Tushar Raj

If you see mobiles from Samsung, Apple, Sony, LG, Black Berry they have video calling even if there is an Android version as well.

This part of one of Tushar Raj's replies struck me. I'm a happy Streak owner, but if I saw these other devices featuring something I especially wanted, I surely would have chosen one over the one Dell device that didnt have what I wanted. The fact you chose the Dell when it didnt have what you wanted makes the majority of your subsequent frustrations self-inflicted.

Also just for clarity's sake, someone made a statement in this thread that all of Apple's iPhones supported all versions of iPhoneOS/iOS. This isn't true. The very first iPhone (simply called "iPhone") supported versions 1.0 through 3.1.3 only. It was kicked to the curb after that.

[Strephon Alkhalikoi]

Originally Posted by Tushar Raj

I cannot change your bias, however you should also respect others opinions.

Actually, I don't give a damn what other people think, and if you seriously think that a plea to respect other people's opinions is going to sway me, you are sadly mistaken. No amount of begging or pleading is going to change the primary fact: you didn't do your homework before you purchased the Streak and are now trying to shift the blame from yourself for making a mistake to Dell so that you can somehow salve your wounded ego.

I wouldn't be frustrated that there was no service pack for Windows 7. But, your analogy is flawed. A more apt comparison would be upgrading from Windows XP to Windows Vista. The upgrade to Vista provided new features not found in XP. An upgrade from Froyo to Gingerbread would do the same thing. However, neither a service pack nor an upgrade would impact the work I do, and that is why I wouldn't be frustrated.

Now, you seem to think I'm a Dell employee (I'm not) because I said Dell used the Streak as a marketing experiment. I don't know how things work in your country, but in the United States test marketing occurs on a regular basis. I'll use a very easy example: Pepsi Throwback.

Pepsi Throwback is a version of Pepsi manufactured for consumption in the United States using sugar rather than HFCS (High Fructose Corn Syrup). The result of the change from HFCS to sugar is no aftertaste, which is prevalent with HFCS since it is a syrup that "sticks" to your throat. The other benefit is that sugar is in fact healthier for the body overall than HFCS.

In any event, Pepsi marketed Throwback for a limited period of time in certain markets. They did this to gauge customer reaction to the product. In other words, they used the populations of those areas that received Throwback as a marketing experiment. The result of the marketing experiment is that by the end of the limited period Pepsi found out that customers really liked Pepsi Throwback. Pepsi made the decision to release Pepsi Throwback nationwide, and have it permanently become part of their selection of sodas.

Dell did the same thing, only somewhere along the line Dell got its wires crossed and instead of a marketing blitz we got a marketing whimper. Dell has done a lot of things right with the Streak, and has done a lot of things wrong with it as well. I have already agreed with you on that and thus do not need to repeat myself. But now you have said Dell is somehow cheating its customers through experimental marketing of the Streak. Change the company to Pepsi and the product to Pepsi Throwback in that sentence and read it again. Explain to me exactly where customers were cheated, because I'm not seeing it.

Nobody got cheated here by Dell. The only person who got cheated was you, and that is because you cheated yourself by not doing the research to make sure the phone was actually right for you before you bought it.

[Australian]

I tend to agree with Jesusfreak, the main reason most of us bought Streaks, was because of screen size which would be great for videos.

I didn't get to see anything on a Streak screen till I bought mine, and I was blown aware by the resolution.

Thought it might not be absolute HD, how could you improve on it. Video quality is mind blowing.

The phone does everything I want it to, or imagine it might do.

And I agree, you have a choice of video call apps. - if that's what you are into. I dare say all phones use 3rd part software for this function.

And yes, to some it may be wonderful to have gingerbread, ice cream sandwich and any other upcoming desserts, - but for what???

I pretty well think the capabilities of the phone are only going to be as good as Apps. that get developed, all the desserts aside.

I am quite happy with what my Streak does....well, and when it's contract comes to an end in 18 months, I will then go for whatever Dell has going then.

IF apps work, and you can make phone calls, make video calls via Skype, send SMS and emails, what more can you want?

Every phone be it Dell Sreak, HTC, Samsung (3D?) even models of Iphone will all have their day, and newer models will replace them from the same manufacturers.

My only gripe about Dell is, that they should add links on their own website, to make software updates easy to find and use. That they don't, is inexcusable.

[Tushar Raj]

@strephon: Seems like you are a self acclaimed market analyst, but that does not make you one.
In my country or yours we do not use humans as guinea pig for testing purpose. Understand difference between a limited edition and testing. Now when I say this you will say that I was not killed by using a Dell streak, please say that as it will show your incompetent analytical skills.
@AntnyMD: Again I will say that hardware compatibility is required for a software upgrade to be installed. So anything>iOS 4 was not upgraded to first two versions of iphone. This is the same we still see android 2.1 eclair on many new phones. But Dell streak has the capacity to run 2.3, and the phone deserves it. The screen size is great, and 2.3 has a very good interface for big screens.

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Dell is a brand name that need to keep up, instead mobile unit is the only one that is a disgrace to Dell. I have had 2 laptops from Dell the service and support was fabulous. But the mobile unit lags a lot. Dell sales figure of Streak is very less. Compare it to Apple and you will know.Also let me know when in its history did Apple reduce its products price except a newer model is launched, this shows how brands and kept. Dell mobile unit seems to follow the wrongs here.


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@Strephon: Neither I beg you, not will ever do in front of anyone. I take your opinions, writeup to come from the loosers notebook of Dell. Brush up your gramatical skills so that you can undertand the tone of people...huh....you don't know anything about technology...just do google and copy paste things.....use some brains it may make you useful to mankind.

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I respect for every individual who comes on the internet to blog and everyone who comes here to abuse.....come into porn...still am incorruptrable by these people. So learn while before you diminish.

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At least from your writeup it is clear to say that I cheated myself by buying a Dell....so in some way it shows your frustration with Dell streak, that you develop or endorse at dell.

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Dell streak was a market failure....read some actual market researches.

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Read this and you might get some knowledge...
Dell mobile chief resigns, closes mobile division

[Strephon Alkhalikoi]

I've never claimed to be a market analyst.

However, one thing I do understand is human nature. I also understand full well how corporations work, and I can tell you with 100% certainty that you are flat out wrong regarding experimental marketing. Would Dr. Pepper be test marketing a "manly" soda in St. Louis? (Source: Dr Pepper Test Markets Manly Diet Soda - St. Louis Restaurants and Dining - Gut Check) Even better, would Coca-Cola be test marketing aluminum bottles? (Source: Coke test markets aluminum bottles : BevNET.com)

My analysis...

...ok, my opinion - since you keep addressing minor points and ignoring the main ones - is spot on and it is you who are out of your depth. In fact, your biggest flaw is in assuming you know things about me based upon how I respond to you. I can guarantee you know nothing at all about me, and what you think you know is wrong.

You being wrong seems to be a common theme here.

The tone of your posts has been readily apparent from the beginning, and they have been universally negative and crafted to avoid the very valid points made on this thread. As stated at least twice in this thread, this forum is run by users, not Dell themselves. While I'm sure that everyone save myself is sympathetic to your self-inflicted plight, no one here can help you. Not even me, despite your repeated insistence that I am a Dell employee in some capacity.

Seriously, I'm just a very advanced user who happens to own a Streak, an Inspiron, a Mini 10V with Windows 7 on it, two HP laptops, a Fujitsu Lifebook emulating an Atari Falcon on Windows 98, and a Toshiba Libretto. Then there are the other five computers in my household that my two roommates own and use plus the cavalcade of old computers that I've brought into the house to either repair and give away, or to strip and junk.

Now, I'm chuckling at your claim that I don't know anything about technology. I'll bite since it's really a rather trollish statement, but I really don't appreciate being lectured by someone who by his attitude has just gotten out of diapers. After 41 years on this hellhole of a planet, having used computers since I was 7 (34 years, if you feel like doing the math), built computers before building a computer was fashionable, gave a mainframe computer to a friend as a birthday present, and used operating systems you've probably never even heard of, I've forgotten more stuff than you'll ever learn. So kindly go pound sand.

Do you know what I like most about Dell? It's not the hardware as the hardware can be rather blah on the low end, and it's not the customer service since I don't generally use it. What I like most about Dell is that while they have a restore partition on many of their computers, if you want them, the software discs are available for the machine in question. Now why would I use the discs instead of using the restore partition? Because I like to have my systems set up without bloatware, and a clean installation is the best way to do that. To the best of my recollection only Dell still offers restore discs, although you now have to order them.

I've ordered discs twice. Once to get the discs for my Inspiron and once to get the discs for my roommate's Duo. So I am curious as to where you believe I'm frustrated with Dell, since every single Dell device in my household has performed admirably, including the Streak.

You finally understand that you screwed up, which is the entire point. Your rant would not have been needed at all had you done your homework before buying the Streak. Quite bluntly, even if I were a Dell employee, I wouldn't help you. Because I firmly believe that people need to take responsibility for the problems they have, whether forced upon them or self-inflicted. Then they need to fix those problems on their own, without help.

Put simply, people need to man up and get themselves out of the messes they find themselves in instead of trying to shift the blame somewhere else as you did.

P.S. No one on this planet is incorruptible, and no one is a paragon of virtue. Anyone claiming otherwise is either lying or delusional. Perhaps both.

[Tushar Raj]

Hey Strephon,

I do understand your failure at Dell mobile unit. This is the reason you start comparing market research to things that won't matter. But lets say it Howard Huges would have wanted to test a new aircraft and he would have used human specimen for that, would it be appropriate??
Tests are not done in production environment till these test are harmless in the sense of life, property etc. So if you get this knowledge about Alumunium bottels etc....PS see some professional help. You seem to be one who has ruined there at Dell.

See your companies sales figure in terms of market percentage. Both in computer and mobiles you will see a huge difference there and only for the fact that your mobile unit has failed badly.

Regards

Tushar

Originally Posted by Strephon Alkhalikoi

I've never claimed to be a market analyst.

However, one thing I do understand is human nature. I also understand full well how corporations work, and I can tell you with 100% certainty that you are flat out wrong regarding experimental marketing. Would Dr. Pepper be test marketing a "manly" soda in St. Louis? (Source: Dr Pepper Test Markets Manly Diet Soda - St. Louis Restaurants and Dining - Gut Check) Even better, would Coca-Cola be test marketing aluminum bottles? (Source: Coke test markets aluminum bottles : BevNET.com)

My analysis...

...ok, my opinion - since you keep addressing minor points and ignoring the main ones - is spot on and it is you who are out of your depth. In fact, your biggest flaw is in assuming you know things about me based upon how I respond to you. I can guarantee you know nothing at all about me, and what you think you know is wrong.

You being wrong seems to be a common theme here.

The tone of your posts has been readily apparent from the beginning, and they have been universally negative and crafted to avoid the very valid points made on this thread. As stated at least twice in this thread, this forum is run by users, not Dell themselves. While I'm sure that everyone save myself is sympathetic to your self-inflicted plight, no one here can help you. Not even me, despite your repeated insistence that I am a Dell employee in some capacity.

Seriously, I'm just a very advanced user who happens to own a Streak, an Inspiron, a Mini 10V with Windows 7 on it, two HP laptops, a Fujitsu Lifebook emulating an Atari Falcon on Windows 98, and a Toshiba Libretto. Then there are the other five computers in my household that my two roommates own and use plus the cavalcade of old computers that I've brought into the house to either repair and give away, or to strip and junk.

Now, I'm chuckling at your claim that I don't know anything about technology. I'll bite since it's really a rather trollish statement, but I really don't appreciate being lectured by someone who by his attitude has just gotten out of diapers. After 41 years on this hellhole of a planet, having used computers since I was 7 (34 years, if you feel like doing the math), built computers before building a computer was fashionable, gave a mainframe computer to a friend as a birthday present, and used operating systems you've probably never even heard of, I've forgotten more stuff than you'll ever learn. So kindly go pound sand.

Do you know what I like most about Dell? It's not the hardware as the hardware can be rather blah on the low end, and it's not the customer service since I don't generally use it. What I like most about Dell is that while they have a restore partition on many of their computers, if you want them, the software discs are available for the machine in question. Now why would I use the discs instead of using the restore partition? Because I like to have my systems set up without bloatware, and a clean installation is the best way to do that. To the best of my recollection only Dell still offers restore discs, although you now have to order them.

I've ordered discs twice. Once to get the discs for my Inspiron and once to get the discs for my roommate's Duo. So I am curious as to where you believe I'm frustrated with Dell, since every single Dell device in my household has performed admirably, including the Streak.

You finally understand that you screwed up, which is the entire point. Your rant would not have been needed at all had you done your homework before buying the Streak. Quite bluntly, even if I were a Dell employee, I wouldn't help you. Because I firmly believe that people need to take responsibility for the problems they have, whether forced upon them or self-inflicted. Then they need to fix those problems on their own, without help.

Put simply, people need to man up and get themselves out of the messes they find themselves in instead of trying to shift the blame somewhere else as you did.

P.S. No one on this planet is incorruptible, and no one is a paragon of virtue. Anyone claiming otherwise is either lying or delusional. Perhaps both.

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One more intersting thing about your 34 year old tech know how. If you are such a tech geek then why do you have use recovery disc from Dell for your laptops??? seems very depressing even for anyone having a little knowledge about computers.
Use you brains man....learn reimaging and customization as per your requirements, not by easy to reinstall software made for dummies and users of computers.

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Seems like you are a person at Dell who was burned for failed dell mobile sales.

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Also when you do talk about precision...that is what dell streak does not have.....even someone can this out from you, as you tell see the major big things...leave the minot flaws.....streak is piece of junk that you built and I threw it and got myseld an iphone 4.

[Australian]

Dell did not set out to market test something that was revolutionary, - they simply wanted to rest the market acceptance of a phone that had a 5 inch screen and which could be used as a mini tablet, to see whether people would buy it.

Would it be considered too large for people to accept as a phone? Samsung, LG or even poor old Nokia might have done the same thing, - but Dell was first.

What is so wrong about that?

We all agree that all smart phones cannot be upgraded to new versions of software for ever, due to technical restraints.

So, why go on & on over basically nothing?

[Strephon Alkhalikoi]

@Australian: At this point, I'm done because I simply cannot combat such levels of stupidity as found in the OP. I think that at this point I'd tell him the sky was blue and he'd say it wasn't, since I somehow convinced him I was a Dell employee. All because I utilized a numbered list in replying to him and utilized general knowledge of how corporations work to come up with the theory that Dell test marketed the streak.

Really, it's apparent that the OP is now trolling for responses, for no self-respecting Dell owner would not know the difference between a restore partition on the computer and the restore discs that are ordered from Dell.

As for his comments that he directed at me, I freely admit that I shouldn't have replied. But I chose to, which means I have to accept responsibility for my actions, and take corrective action to fix the problem. I read his latest comments, and now he's questioning my mental state. All I can do is shake my head, because the man is easily confused. I can't be both too dumb to operate a computer except to watch porn and yet be smart enough to work at Dell. The two are contradictory.

Marvin said it best though on the thread when he said to the OP, "...personal attacks and disinformation is what a person with a poor argument resorts to when they [find] their argument will not hold up under scrutiny. So your tidbit about "they must be Dell employees" demonstrates that you are running out of logic."

The OP ran out of logic several posts back, and I refuse to have a battle of wits with a Darwin Award nominee.

[Australian]

I fully support your defense of what became yourself, rather than the Streak.

Ruj seemed intent on suggesting Dell had brought out this "experiment" that was supposed to be revolutionary, but now didn't or couldn't support.

It was simply an experiment in size acceptance.

Personal attacks on members levels of computer/IT skills and knowledge are not something any forum wants to see.

You did what you had to do.