[meklort]

Personally, I don't like it too much either, but you never know what some people like.
I was just putting it out for people to test and give feedback (it'll be much more configurable in the final version).
Plus, this way it gives people a temporary solution.
I should be able to make ctrl or some other key enable scrolling pretty easily.

[apparissus]

Sorry for slighting the Dashboard, middle-click, and other users among us! Diversity, chaos, genius and all that.

I can't try out the new driver until later tonight, but I'm amazed by meklort's Flash-like development. Thanks!

I had imagined the button3 scroll working temporarily (while the buttons are held) but I'll check it out this way, and I agree that Ctrl-scroll, middle-click, etc are probably all useful for certain usage patterns, given the tiny set of inputs we have to work with.

[NoBugsOnMe]

Thank you meklort for developing a solution that fast! This is really great. I've tried your new kext and this is my opinion:

First of all, it's good to see scrolling working. It looks very promising. But there are some things that just don't make it feel right and I can only see this now.

I have noticed that having an on/off "toggle switch" does not work for me. I use the cursor and the scrolling almost simultaneously. I switch between them very often. A bit of scrolling, some mouse hovering action, some more scrolling, opening a link, and so on. So I guess a temporary solution would fit me more.

Second I have noticed is that the scrolling is not responsive at all times. I don't know why that is, maybe it is because it's not sensitive enough.

Another problem is that if you don't hit the two buttons at the same time and the cursor is above a link, the browser opens the link and this can be a bit annoying.

So my conclusion is: Temporary scrolling (by key or whatever) is better. Using the left mouse button is not a good idea.

I'm looking forward to see what you other guys have to say. And I can't wait for the next versions. Thank you.

[meklort]

I just threw that together really quickly, which is why its not tweaked.
I probably wont fix the "you have to press both buttons exactly" issue until I have sidescrilling working.
In the final versions I'll make it so that you an press and hold a button (like ctrl, but configurable) to enable full trackpad scrolling.

As for unresponsive, that could be a number of factors, the firs tis that I'm simply scaling the touchpad movement by 1/5 which means very small movements are being thrown away (its an integer, not a float) In the final version it'll be a more complex algorithm.
Another issue could just be the responsivness of the computer / program. If the program pasues, so will scrolling.

[fasmx]

I have to agree on most of the things said by nobugsonme, but I noticed the other things -

tap to click is not working any more.
if I hold right button before left button to enable scrolling (on a webpage), then it brings up the popup menu and will not scroll.

[meklort]

Originally Posted by fasmx

I have to agree on most of the things said by nobugsonme, but I noticed the other things -

tap to click is not working any more.
if I hold right button before left button to enable scrolling (on a webpage), then it brings up the popup menu and will not scroll.

You have to press the button exactly at the same time. If you press the right button first it'll open the scroll menu which on all macs make the window not scrollable. If you press the left button first you will want to be over a non-clickable area otherwise it may load the link. If you press both at the same time, It'll cancel the button presses and only send the middle button click. I will make a tiny delay (few milliseconds) for it to register a middle click before it sends a button press, however it may be too noticeable.

I'm not sure why tap to click doesn't work. I've never used it so I hadn't tested it on that kext. On the kext I'm working on now, tap to click wont work in absolute mode initially. Since its in absolute mode I basically have to reprogram everything that the hardware / firmware does in relative mode, which include tap to click.

[audio_inside]

I don't care much about gestures or "multi-touch", but two finger vertical scrolling is my highest wishlist item and would easily be the improvement to make the most productivity difference for me on this machine.

I got addicted to having two finger vertical scrolling on the trackpad of my "ancient" 2003 G4 Aluminum Powerbook, enabled via the excellent iScroll2.

The "zone" system of dedicated scrolling areas on the trackpad perimeter didn't work too well for me on the Mini9 (tried it briefly on Ubuntu) because the trackpad area on this machine is too damned small and I constantly strayed inadvertently across the unmarked scroll zone boundaries.

The "click to toggle scrolling" modal scheme doesn't provide enough fluidity of operation in the UI for me personally, and I suspect alot of other dyed-in-the-wool Mac heads would also find it uncomfortably un-"Mac-like". The Windows and Ubuntu veterans may feel differently.

I've been watching this thread anxiously hoping someone's going to figure out how to dial this in. Meklort, how does your effort differ from what they're trying over there?

[meklort]

Originally Posted by audio_inside

I don't care much about gestures or "multi-touch", but two finger vertical scrolling is my highest wishlist item and would easily be the improvement to make the most productivity difference for me on this machine.

I got addicted to having two finger vertical scrolling on the trackpad of my "ancient" 2003 G4 Aluminum Powerbook, enabled via the excellent iScroll2.

The "zone" system of dedicated scrolling areas on the trackpad perimeter didn't work too well for me on the Mini9 (tried it briefly on Ubuntu) because the trackpad area on this machine is too damned small.

The "click to toggle scrolling" modal scheme doesn't provide enough fluidity of operation in the UI for me personally, and I suspect alot of other dyed-in-the-wool Mac heads would also find it uncomfortably un-"Mac-like". The Windows and Ubuntu veterans may feel differently.

I've been watching this thread anxiously hoping someone's going to figure out how to dial this in. Meklort, how does your effort differ from what they're trying over there?

I really dont know how it differs, other than it uses a program called ffscroll.

Two finger scrolling is considered multi touch (at least by me and the hardware). So, if the hardware doesn't support it (which I don't think it does), implementing it will be a hack that wont work very well. (as you can tell by the the one in the thread you linked to).

I'll attach the latest build (with absolute mode and side scrolling enabled) in a few minutes. It has lots of problems, but the basics work. (I'll list the problems on the first post).

EDIT:
I also prefer the two finger scroll method on my macbook. Most of the side scroll implementation's I've used are very hard to use / activate, however I've made this one purposely huge (probably too huge) and it works alright.

[NoBugsOnMe]

I have tested the new kext for a few minutes now and I really have to say: hats off! Obviously this is not ready for every day use yet, but this is way more comfortable than the last one.

It seems like I was wrong about side scrolling. This is definitely very fine.

[meklort]

Originally Posted by NoBugsOnMe

I have tested the new kext for a few minutes now and I really have to say: hats off! Obviously this is not ready for every day use yet, but this is way more comfortable than the last one.

It seems like I was wrong about side scrolling. This is definitely very fine.

Glad you like it.

I've just uploaded a new versions that fixes the button press bug (I had to dissable 3 button emulation though).
I've also fixed a few bugs to make the trackpad respond more like it did before.

The main thing I have yet to do a non linear scaling so that it's more like a macbook / how it was before.

This version is much better than the last one and is actually usable.