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Default Re: Touchpad drivers - 03-24-2009, 05:12 AM

When I was running Ubuntu, I could scroll up and down only using the right edge of the touchpad. Could this be exploited for OS X?


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Default Re: Touchpad drivers - 03-24-2009, 06:06 AM

that's the plan (and the main thing I'm working on)


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I have a suggestion for scrolling support. First of all, thanks for pursuing side-scroll - I think this is the most important scrolling implementation for most users by far, since it is already available under both Windows and Ubuntu, and so most users are used to or expecting it.

As for your two-button-click implementation, why not use this to activate a full-trackpad scroll mode? Right now you're using it for an extra click event, which makes sense, but in OS X a middle click usually just triggers Dashboard, and I think that A) a lot of users could care less about Dashboard, though of course they could remap the functionality to Expose or something, but that leads to B) the standard Expose and Spaces hotkeys are super accessible on the Dell Mini, since they are Fn+(Home Row). So for quick app switching or calling Dashboard, etc, the Mini already provides handy hotkeys right where OS X expects them. By using the both-click to engage scrolling, you also keep mouse functions all collected on the mouse, which is probably more intuitive to many.

SO, my vote is for Ubuntu/Windows-like side-scrolling (hopefully with some useful sensitivity adjustment) and for an option to enable "Horizontal and Vertical scroll while both mouse buttons are pressed".

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Default Re: Touchpad drivers - 03-24-2009, 06:13 AM

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I have a suggestion for scrolling support. First of all, thanks for pursuing side-scroll - I think this is the most important scrolling implementation for most users by far, since it is already available under both Windows and Ubuntu, and so most users are used to or expecting it.

As for your two-button-click implementation, why not use this to activate a full-trackpad scroll mode? Right now you're using it for an extra click event, which makes sense, but in OS X a middle click usually just triggers Dashboard, and I think that A) a lot of users could care less about Dashboard, though of course they could remap the functionality to Expose or something, but that leads to B) the standard Expose and Spaces hotkeys are super accessible on the Dell Mini, since they are Fn+(Home Row). So for quick app switching or calling Dashboard, etc, the Mini already provides handy hotkeys right where OS X expects them. By using the both-click to engage scrolling, you also keep mouse functions all collected on the mouse, which is probably more intuitive to many.

SO, my vote is for Ubuntu/Windows-like side-scrolling (hopefully with some useful sensitivity adjustment) and for an option to enable "Horizontal and Vertical scroll when both mouse buttons are pressed".

Thanks for your work!!!
I like the idea (and would be very easy to implement) I might make a test kext where pressing the two buttons toggles scrolling tommorow afternoon.
I had it set to emulate the middle button so because I read that the dell drivers do that for windows (and to open tabs easier in safari), but I'll definitely make this an option.
The problem I'm having right now with absolute mode is converting it to relative events for the os (mainly scaling to a value expected by the os, I have to determine a good value before it'll work right).


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Default Re: Touchpad drivers - 03-24-2009, 05:07 PM

I like apparissus' suggestion. Maybe it's even better than mine. I'd like to try this.
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Default Re: Touchpad drivers - 03-24-2009, 07:10 PM

I think sidescrolling would be the best solution seeing as how it is supported by the hardware and we can't have multitouch. That being said, I like the idea of creating mouse3 by pressing both mouse1 and mouse2 together, BUT, if we could have an option as to what that does. I, for one, USE dashboard. So having that as the default access would be great for me, while others may want scrolling or any other possible assignment.

I guess what it comes down to is, once you create the state of "mouse3" can't you make it do whatever you want?


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Default Re: Touchpad drivers - 03-24-2009, 07:16 PM

I wasn't aware that pressing the middle button started the Dashboard. Whenever I have used an external mouse on my MacBook or Dell Mini, it has always been just fine. I use the middle button mostly for opening new tabs in web browsers.


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Default Re: Touchpad drivers - 03-24-2009, 10:19 PM

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I wasn't aware that pressing the middle button started the Dashboard. Whenever I have used an external mouse on my MacBook or Dell Mini, it has always been just fine. I use the middle button mostly for opening new tabs in web browsers.
That's what I use it for too.

I'll make it configurable so that the user can select which way they want it (initially it'll probably be a plist file, but I'll make a preference pane for it later on).


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Default Re: Touchpad drivers - 03-25-2009, 02:14 AM

I've just uploaded a new kext. This one uses the full trackpad to scroll when you press both buttons ( press both to enable, and then both again to disable).

I could make it so any button press would disable scrolling, but this is the way it is for now.
I also could make it temporary so that you have to hold down both buttons is people want it.

The scroll rate is just some random guess by me, I'll make it configureable in the future (after I get sidescrolling working).


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Default Re: Touchpad drivers - 03-25-2009, 04:15 AM

Will test it out later. Is there anyway to assign a key on the keyboard to the scroll function? That would be the most ideal for me. I've always imagined being able to press and hold, say, the ctrl key while using the trackpad to scroll around. I'm not too fond of the permanent scrolling idea. (Permanent as in having to press the keys again to disable.)


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