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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: South Carolina
08-29-2009, 05:48 PM
I think this $30 upgrade disc will actually lower the piracy rate. You can't beat the price really, its like my friends would preordered windows 7, they would have went the piracy route if the price wouldn't have been so low, so price has a lot to do with it, and you really can't beat $30 and your still supporting Apple in buying the upgrade disc, after all it maybe rather far-fetched but maybe Apple intended hackintosh users to go for the upgrade disc
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: United States
08-29-2009, 06:10 PM
As long as people purchase a copy of Snow Leopard I see no problem with them using the disk. Obviously, it would be ideal if they already had a legitimate retail copy of Leopard as well... but expecting everyone to be completely ethical and only use the "upgrade disk" for upgrading from Leopard and not doing a fresh install is somewhat unrealistic.
People will either pay the $30 and support Apple or just decide to pirate Snow Leopard and totally blow off any morals and ethics what-so-ever. On top of that, any copy of Leopard being purchased at this point is not directly supporting Apple anyhow... since they will all be sold through third party retailers. So, if the argument for buying Leopard and the SL upgrade disk is to support Apple and to not take advantage of the "loop hole"... then it is not actually giving them any more $$.
And, as I have said before. Apple is a smart company. I am sure they know what their "upgrade disk" is capable of... if they wanted to be more restrictive about how the disk was used, they could have easily added in checks to make sure the user was actually upgrading from Leopard.
Overall though, I agree with the viewpoints of CyG and Mechdrew that are stated within this thread!
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Austin, TX
08-29-2009, 09:04 PM
To add some more info, I have just spent the last half hour examining the packaging and DVD of my Snow Leopard Upgrade Family Pack. The EULA that is displayed when you go to install, has three separate sections for Single Use, Family Pack, and Leopard Upgrade licenses, but nowhere is there anything that actually identifies this copy as either a full or upgrade version, save perhaps for a cryptic part number. The packaging carries the markings "MC224Z/A MAC OS X 10.6 FAMILY PACK", and that part number may tie back to a license type to those "in the know", but there's no way for Joe Average to know.
Furthermore, there are no identifying marks on the DVD. Anyone buying a used copy on eBay or Craigslist would have no way of knowing whether he was buying a full or upgrade version, especially if all he got was the DVD.
So I'm not sure how we can require newcomers to have a full retail version. What if someone bought the Box Set, then sold the bundled software on Craigslist since he had no need for them. He is now left with only a DVD, from which it is impossible to tell whether he paid $30 or $160. And I for one routinely throw away packaging and retain only the hardware and media. I too would have no way of proving what version I had paid for.
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Join Date: Nov 2008
08-29-2009, 09:29 PM
That a good point, Jetkins, but the truth is that we can't require anything. It is pretty futile to recommend a higher-priced but otherwise identical product, though. It looks increasingly like the $29 option is going to be the preferred standard just out of practicality.
Join Date: Mar 2009
08-29-2009, 09:39 PM
I read several Mac related sites on a daily basis, and the news of being able to perform a clean install from the SL upgrade disc is already spread far and wide on most all of the sites.
To be truthful, it sort of makes me wish I had waited until now to set up my Mini 9. Saving $100 on the OS would have been nice, I could have splurged on a RunCore instead of a SuperTalent.
But ultimately I have no complaints, my mini is an awesome little machine, and i am sure Snow Leopard will be a great improvement.
Now, to bide my time for a new SL mini install process....
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Join Date: Jan 2009
08-29-2009, 10:34 PM
Here's where I stand for now: I can't tell whether someone owned Leopard or not, so I'm going to always assume that they do. If they ask about or tell me that they don't have the original Leopard, I won't refuse help but I will recommend buying the Box Set. (If not for anything else, the full retail SL, iLife and iWork will be nice for new users.) But I'm using the same tactic for Snow that I did for the original: no retail, no support.
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